Rv delamination – Metal vs Fiberglass

hey what’s going on everybody dan here
I’ve got Jordan from Walnut Ridge here Jordan how you doing buddy thank you for
taking some time so I pulled him off he’s the expert
I said Jordan we’re doing Mythbusters this is mythbuster number two hopefully
maybe number one depending on how I added these bad boys but one of the the
things that I hear a constant conversation about is metal versus
fiberglass right and when we bought our RV our buddy bought an RV right before
we did and he’s like oh get metal don’t ever buy fiberglass because it de-laminate sure so
what I would like you to do if you don’t mind is we’ve got a model of each other
talk about each on each and then if you have any information on de-lamination that would be great, just share what you know buddy yeah so basically it’s really
relative which one’s better for you obviously there’s a big price difference
between the two so if budget is a big issue obviously that the metal is going
to be a cheaper construction style the main reason for that is these are framed
out of wood as opposed to the aluminum framing that you find in the fiberglass
trailers for the most part some of them are still with the most of them are
aluminum silence so framed let me ask you this replace you saying most of the
time not necessarily always but most of the time the metal is a wood frame
always noise metal is always wood frame fiberglass can occasionally be wood
frame and some of the lower and fiberglass products but most of the time
fiberglass trailers are aluminum framed okay so that’s gonna make these lighter
it’s gonna make them lighter and it’s also gonna make them a
little more rigid because it is welded metal framing it but it is more
expensive construction style so if you’re going budget conscience the
aluminum is definitely a cheaper construction style but it is a
tried-and-true construction method that goes in this way forever
so now some of the benefits of going with the aluminum siding obviously
you’re not gonna have the delamination issues that we were talking about if
water were to get into the sidewall you’re gonna run into problems with the
wood framing but it’s easily repair because each individual section you can
see where there seemed here those can be removed individually and you can get
into the sidewall we do whatever repairs you need to so each one of these can
actually be taken off writers placed or if something you did attention
underneath you could work on it exactly so I mean if you for example if you got
like a dent in it or something like that this is much easier to repair or replace
than fiberglass where it’s all one big piece you have to cut into it and patch
it and it’s just a bigger job so definitely easier to repair there
another one of the benefits they typically don’t fade sometimes you’ll
see on the fiberglass trailers they can fade and change color a little bit
because the colors actually infused into the fiberglass and the Sun wear will
occasionally wear that out and you’ll see some fading spots the gel coat on
the fiberglass can peel and crack so those are some things you have to be
careful of with the fiberglass and where as with this you’re not gonna have that
issue it’s actually painted on here so the metal is gonna be a little bit more
durable against sun damage and stuff like that so so let me ask you this
number one your awesome this is great information I didn’t know half of what you just shared with me so you talked
about I know we want to talk about the delamination but you talked about fading
and color changing and all that yeah and I’m sure that there’s probably proper
maintenance stuff that you can do for them to prevent that am I correct right
so this is gonna be more resistant to that but there are things that you can
do to the fiberglass to make it more resistant as well they offer different
paint and fabric protection packages and stuff like that that you can put on
these that do protect it against UV damage and stuff like that so that’s
gonna help a lot with that but it is an extra step that you have to take to
avoid that whereas with these it’s not you know they’re a little more resistant
right from the factory okay that makes sense so we’re looking at lighter mm-hmm
we’re looking at easier to clean yep we are what I’m hearing a lot of people
they consider these the fancier one certainly compared to
yeah yes sleeker yeah there’s there’s maintenance you can do to him to take
care of him what is this myth of all of them delaminating or the de laminating
event sure so de lamination is obviously the
biggest fear of fiberglass trailer there’s a couple things that go into de
lamination it’s kind of a you know there’s a lot that that’s involved in
that it doesn’t just happen to all of them that’s not they don’t all the
laminate so that is a myth there’s different ways that manufacturers will
put fiberglass onto a unit so when there’s there’s three primary styles
there’s a hung fiberglass wall what that is is that’s typically going to be in
the ones that I mentioned a few there wood framed with fiberglass exterior
those are like a cheaper price point fiberglass unit in a hung wall what that
is is they take the they take the wood framing they put it up they put the bat
and fiberglass insulation in and then they just glue the fiberglass to each
stud individually and then they press the wall on manually with their hands
and that’s how it’s held on there okay that’s the cheapest way to do it those
have the most problems so if you’re shopping for a fiberglass unit you
always want to ask if it is a hung wall not necessarily that you don’t want to
buy that but just know that there are more risks involved with that type of
construction because it is cheaper to do the second construction style is a pinch
rolled wall so what that has is a they use the aluminum framing on the pinch
roller balls they put block foam insulation usually they’ll put block
foam insulation and sometimes they still use fiberglass and then they lay the
whole wall out and glue it to everything the insulation they put the they put a
backer on first like a luan backer okay and that’s going to go over the framing
and over the over the block foam insulation and then they’ll put the
fiberglass on top of that they glue it everywhere so it’s a glue all the way
across not just on the studs and then they put it through a big pressure
roller so it literally looks like a big like baking wall or something like that
there so that’s awesome yeah it’s just pressing the whole wall together so it
gives it a tight even seal that’s the second method that’s gonna prevent the
lamination a little bit more and then the third construction style is vacuum
bonded which is the most expensive and the most thorough also the most
resistant to the lamination what a vacuum bonded wall will be is they’re
gonna take the whole thing again they’re going to put the block foam insulation
aluminum framing the luan backer then they’re going to
whole thing put the fiberglass on they literally put it in this ginormous
plastic bag the whole wall and they suck all the air out to a certain pressure
range that’s gonna take all the air out of it to remove any bubbles any
separation issues at all and it gives it a tight even bond across the whole wall
that’s the most expensive construction style but it also prevents the
delamination the most right now nothing is delamination proof right and the reason
I say that is because water intrusion is the number one thing that’s going to
cause the delamination okay so the way to fight that obviously you have your roof
that you need to make sure you seal on a very regular basis you need to make sure
all the the lining around the sides of the roof where the dyecore or sealant is
you need to make sure that’s treated and sealed well otherwise the water will get into
that side wall and it will cause that glue to separate so the other main issue
is windows and any other extrusions and the exterior speakers, vents anything
like that water can get in behind that and it can cause delamination because
these are obviously screwed on here so, even when you are looking at these little clips this one like this one over here you can
see I mean all the lights everything anything that’s screwed in here all has
a sealant around it and you just need to make sure that that’s kept up with so
you know maybe once a year or something check your caulking around all that and
make sure that’s all good because water can get in there and if it does it will
delaminate so no matter how it’s built so even though there’s better construction
styles it’s gonna prevent it from happening from other causes right water
can always ruin anything so no matter what level of construction
is involved if there’s poor maintenance from the end-users part yes you can have
that that’s correct I mean that that makes total sense so what you’re telling
me is if I got a really good summation of this is that both are great
a lot depends on the end-users price point yes and again also model and
layout right we have a Puma we love Puma we’ve already identified some
other Pumas that we like but then when you do step into if you want to step
into a fiberglass arm yourself with those questions what type of backing is
it what you know how is it prepared I’m gonna have to
back and look up those terms that George just rattled up because I don’t remember
them but and then again going back into your price point but I think we’ve seen
a central theme in this as maintenance maintenance maintenance there is no one
solution that just makes it completely fine to do it sure I mean water is gonna
make a trailer like that to laminate obviously water will also ruin these two
so you have to be careful with maintain everything this won’t laminate but
you’re gonna get rot and your studs and stuff like that and your wall board you
know so you run into the same issues with water either way it’s just really
damaging so maintenance is definitely the key another big thing about
fiberglass that we hadn’t hit on yet is a weight range so you know if you if you
have a half-ton truck or something where you’re limited to let’s say five or
seven thousand pounds of tow weight you’re probably going to want to
look at a fiberglass option because of the aluminum framing they’re
significantly lighter so it opens up a much wider range of what you can
purchase for your money and be able to tow it well so that’s another big
advantage of that whereas the aluminum sided trailers are just typically
heavier so with that wood framing construction they’re just heavy so so I
think that goes back to all the other videos that we’ve done so far that I
think helped Jordan a lot of the videos we’ve done so far talking about
understanding RV weights understanding your truck and vehicle weight weight
limits what you can’t tell before you ever show up at a dealership that way
you’re not just going you fall in love with the model and you find out it’s
8,000 pounds more then you could pull and you got to go buy a new truck for it
but also go ahead and get those you know use this as a guide when you’re going on
do I look at metal do I look at fiberglass based off of all of these
components and obviously it comes down to the end user preference in your
pocketbook really yeah you have obviously price points a huge thing so
something else if I can go back I don’t know how you want to end it that’s fine
I can go back and add one more benefit or really a difference between them when
you’re looking at insulation value and if you’re wanting to do more cold
weather camping or something like that there’s also a very wide variety between
these two units and what those different construction styles offer for core values
so if you’re looking at a aluminum sided trailer like this the only type of
insulation that they ever put in those is fiberglass residential you know
batten insulation so when you have that your trailer that can only do so much
for the for the R values whereas when you step up to a fiberglass unit you’re
gonna open up a world of black foam insulation which is gonna add more
r-value and it’s just a tighter insulation value so if you’re looking to
do cold-weather camping like if you’re looking at high-end fifth wheels and stuff
like that they’re almost always fiberglass because of the framing one
thing and also because they can open up cold weather packages that way and put
that into their construction so it’s great yeah so if you’re looking to do
three seasons camping you can you can go with an aluminum trailer if you’re
looking to go cold weather camping you can still do it with these it’s just
gonna use a whole lot more propane to heat the camper you also have to make
sure the whole underbody is skirted and stuff like that too because the
insulation value in the floor on the wood frame units is a lot less than the
fiberglass units also so there’s a lot of differences between the the fiber the
insulation styles between the construction as well Jordan you know
your sh*t listen guys I have a feeling that a lot more questions they’re gonna
come about this and I have a feeling we’re gonna be seeing this face more
because you have some great information my friend you take time today to answer
this I feel like even though I can’t recall what three types there are for
these for how they’re bonded together I feel like I’m a lot more knowledgeable
and I’m a lot more prepared when I come in here sure if I don’t come here to buy
our next RV I feel like wherever I went I’m gonna blow that salespersons mind because I’m gonna go is
that vacuum bonded they should know they should know and there’s you know
obviously there’s benefits to all the different styles but they should know
that because it’s it’s a big difference in price point and an end in quality so
well great thank you you

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