INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI‘I: Is Hawai‘i a Dangerous Destination? | Program


>>GONE ARE THE DAYS WHEN
HAWAI’I’S VISITORS JUST SOAKED UP THE SUN FOR HOURS ON THE BEACH
OR GOLF COURSE. LONG BEFORE THEY ARRIVED
HERE, THE INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA CHALLENGED OUR GUESTS
TO EXPERIENCE SOME OF HAWAII’S REMOTE,
BREATHTAKING AND DANGEROUS PLACES.TO MANY GOAL
SEEKERS,TOO MANY OF OUR RESCUE PROFESSIONALS PAID THE
PRICE OR ESCAPED CLOSE CALLS. DO WE WANT TO BE KNOWN AS A
DANGEROUS DESTINATION? THIS LIVE BROADCAST AND
LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW. DARYL: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO
INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII…I’M DARYL HUFF WITH HAWAII NEWS
NOW. LAST WEEK ON INSIGHTS WE
TALKED ABOUT THE GROWING NUMBER OF VISITORS TO OUR
ISLANDS WHO ARE OPTING TO STAY IN B&B’S AND VACATION RENTALS
RATHER THAN HOTELS. AS
TOURISTS VENTURE OUT ON THEIR OWN, THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING TO
ONLINE TRAVEL GUIDES FOR ADVENTURES
OFF-THE-BEATEN-PATH. UNFORTUNATELY THESE SITES TOO
OFTEN DO TOO LITTLE TO WARN OF THE DANGERS OR EVEN THE LEGAL
RISKS INVOLVED. INSTEAD, HIKERS TRESPASS ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY TO ACCESS TRAILHEADS. THEY ARE LURED TO ISOLATED
AREAS, LIKE THE KALALAU TRAIL ON THE NAPALI COAST OF KAUAI. HONOLULU CIVIL BEAT REPORTED
THAT 147 TOURISTS DIED IN HAWAII DURING THE 3-YEAR
PERIOD BETWEEN 2012 AND 2016, WHILE ENGAGING IN TYPICAL
TOURIST ACTIVITIES LIKE SWIMMING, SNORKELING AND
HIKING. THAT’S NEARLY AN
AVERAGE OF 1 DEATH PER WEEK. TOURISM OFFICIALS NOW PLAY
VIDEOS AT THE AIRPORT AND CAR RENTAL COMPANIES HAVE PUT OUT
BROCHURES AND PAMPHLETS WITH SAFETY TIPS AND INFORMATION
ABOUT TRAIL CLOSURES. BUT ARE THE TOURISTS PAYING
ATTENTION? TONIGHT WE WILL EXAMINE SOME
OF THE DANGERS AND PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED SPECIFICALLY WITH
HIKING. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT’S SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND
YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG
AND OUR PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE. NOW TO OUR GUESTS
AARON LOWE IS THE ACTING PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE STATE
OF HAWAII FORESTRY TRAIL SYSTEM, ALSO KNOWN AS NA ALA
HELE. A HIKER FOR MUCH OF HIS
LIFE AND A TRAIL SPECIALIST FOR OAHU, MR. LOWE NOW
OVERSEES MANAGEMENT OF NA ALA HELE TRAIL SYSTEM THROUGHOUT
THE STATE. DAVID JENKINS IS A 25-YEAR
VETERAN OF THE HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. AS PUBLIC
INFORMATION OFFICER, HE IS A FAMILIAR FACE, USUALLY ON THE
SCENE WHEN HFD IS INVOLVED IN ANY EMERGENCY, INCLUDING
HIKER ACCIDENTS AND RESCUES. KATHLEEN ELIOTT-PAHINUI IS
THE INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE HONOLULU BOARD OF WATER
SUPPLY. THE CITY AND COUNTY
OF HONOLULU OWNS THE LAND UNDER AND SURROUNDING HAIKU
STAIRS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN. THROUGH
PARTNERSHIPS WITH A VARIETY OF OWNERS, THE BOARD OF WATER
SUPPLY MANAGES THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF WATERSHED LAND ON
OAHU WHERE THERE ARE OTHER POPULAR TRAILS. NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD MEMBER. RESIDENT OF MAUNAWILI
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN SEVERELY AFFECTED BY HIKERS
LOCAL RESIDENT AND VISITORS WHO TRESPASS ON PRIVATE
PROPERTY ON THEIR WAY TO AND FROM THE MAUNAWILI FALLS
TRAIL, WHICH WAS MADE EVEN MORE POPULAR THROUGH SOCIAL
MEDIA. WITH THAT MENTION OF SOCIAL
MEDIA, TONIGHT IS IT A CONTINUATION OF OUR INSIGHTS
TALKED ABOUT IMPACT OF RECORD BREAKING VISITOR ARRIVALS
BRINGER YOUNGER MORE ADD VENTURES THRILL SEEKING
TOURISTS OF HAWAI’I AND POWER OF THEIR PREFERRED FORM OF
COMMUNICATION. SOCIAL MEDIA. OCCURRED TO ME, LET HAWAI’I
HAPPEN. VERY MUCH ABOUT GOING OUT SOME
PLACE NEW AND HAVING SOMETHING SPONTANEOUS
HAPPEN. ISN’T THAT PART OF WHAT DRIVES
PEOPLE OUT?>>I THINK SOME OF THAT IS
VISITORS IN GENERAL. WE HAVE A NEW TYPE OF VISITOR. VISITOR IS GETTING ON A MOBILE
PHONE. ACCESSING INFORMATION VIA THE
WEB KIND OF JUST TAKING THEIR TRIP BY HORNS AND SAYING, HEY,
I WANT TO EXPERIENCE SOMETHING. KIND OF GOING ON THEIR OWN. THEY’RE NOT RELYING ON
TRADITIONAL MODES OF TOURISM, WHETHER IT BE GUIDED
OPERATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.>>THAT’S THE KEY POINT. I WANT TO PUT IN A PLUG FOR SUE
KANOHO WORKS WITH YOU ON KAUAI. SHE’S BEEN HELPING FILTER
SOME OF THE INAPPROPRIATE, MORE APPROPRIATE WAYS OF
MARKETING. ONE OF THE THINGS KALANI SAID,
I THINK THAT REALLY KIND IS THE 900-POUND GORILLA IN THE
ROOM, CONVENTIONAL METHODS OF MARKETING THE STATE WE KNOW
HOW TO DO, HAVE BROUGHT IN INCREASED AMOUNT OF
PATRONAGE. BUT IT’S THE SOCIAL MEDIA OFF
CONVENTIONAL MARKETING PATH LEADING PEOPLE, ONCE THEY’RE
HERE INTO THAT LET HAWAI’I HAPPEN KIND OF THING. I’M NOT SAYING HSA IS
ENCOURAGING IT, THE MARKET IS DIFFERENT, PEOPLE ARE CRAVING
NEW EXPERIENCE OFF THE BEATEN PATH AND WE’RE SEEING NOT ONLY
CONVENTIONAL PLACES LIKE OUR STATE PARKS AND NATIONAL
PARKS GETTING FULL HILT BUT SPILLING AS THEY LOOK FOR NEW
AREAS. PART OF IT IS CROWDING OR THEY
WANT THAT NEW IMAGE. WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. WHAT I’M CALLING
NARCISSIFICATION OF RECREATION. CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE
REMOTE, WE HAVE VISITORS WHO CHINA, IOWA AND HITTING THOSE
LOCATIONS AND DON’T HAVE THE REQUISITE SKILL SETS TO GO
THERE.>>Daryl: LET ME START WITH
YOU. YOU’RE EXPERIENCING THIS
FIRSTHAND AS A RESIDENT OF THE HOME NEAR, VERY POPULAR
TRAIL. OVER THE YEARS, WATCHING THE
CHANGE TO APPARENTLY SOME OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA?>>WELL, IT STARTS OFF WITH A
TRICKLE OF PEOPLE AND THAT’S GREAT. FEW PEOPLE, NOBODY NEEDS TO
MANAGE IT, CITY DOESN’T NEED TO MANAGE IT, STATE DOESN’T
NEED TO MANAGE IT. PRETTY WELL BEHAVED. FEW OF
THEM. WE’RE UP TO NOW IN MAUNAWILI
DOZENS OF PEOPLE GOING TO THE FALLS. THE FALLS ISN’T WELL LAID OUT
AT ALL. IT’S NOT PROPERLY MANAGED. THERE ARE NO INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE ARE NO RESTROOMS. NO PLACE TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE
A PICNIC. NO PLACE TO PUT YOUR RUBBISH. IT’S A HUGE IMPACT ON THE
NEIGHBORHOOD. AND OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. I MEAN, THE WHOLE TRAIL IS
JUST TAKING A BEATING.>>Daryl: AARON LOWE FROM THE
STATE DLNR. WE’LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE
LATER ABOUT MAUNAWILI SPECIFICALLY. WHAT COULD YOU GUYS OBSERVING
WHEN IT COMES TO THE BEHAVIOR, NOT JUST VISITORS BUT ALSO OF
LOCALS WHO VENTURING OUT? WHAT’S IT LIKE TRYING TO KEEP
TRACK OF ALL OF THIS?>>A LOT OF TIMES, TOURISTS
ARE, LARGE NUMBER OF TOURISTS. LOCALS MIGHT BE A SMALLER
NUMBER BUT SOME OF THE TOURISTS THAT ARE LOCALS THAT
WE WITNESSED, SOME ARE CAN BE DISRESPECTFUL. THAT LEAVES A NEGATIVE
IMPRESSION, LONGLASTING IMPRESSION ON THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT’S UNFORTUNATE. THAT ADDS AN EXACERBATES THE
ISSUE AND THE PROBLEMS. IT’S THAT MASS, HUGE LOAD OF
TOURISTS THAT ARE FINDING IT ON THE INTERNET, I THINK ALSO,
WE’D BE IN AGREEMENT THAT THERE’S QUITE A FEW MILITARY
RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE ISLANDS THAT LOVE TO GO TO
THESE PLACES AND FREQUENT THEM ON THEIR WEEKENDS. THEY’RE YOUNG AND ADVENTUROUS
AND LOOKING FOR SOMETHING FUN TO DO AND IT’S OUT THERE. WE HAVE IT. EVERYONE IS HAVING A GOOD
TIME. UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS REAL
NEGATIVE EFFECTS, KIND OF A BACKLASH ON THESE SMALLER
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NORMALLY SLEEPY, NICE LITTLE
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A TRAIL HEAD.>>Daryl: FEELING THE PRESSURE
AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO CHASE DOWN THESE PEOPLE. ARE YOU SEEING THAT MORE RISKY
BEHAVIOR AS WELL AS PEOPLE ACCESSING, BECAUSE THEY WANT
TO GET THAT SHOT, THEY WANT TO GET THAT PICTURE, SOCIAL
MEDIA THING?>>WELL, RISKY BEHAVIOR JUST
GOING INTO VERY HAZARDOUS AREAS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF OUR
CONCERNS. SOME OF THE MORE HAZARDOUS
TRAILS LIKE CROUCHING LION OR OLOMANA THIRD PEAK, PALI
NOTCHES, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT BECAUSE THEY’VE IN FATALITIES IN THE RESENTED
YEARS.>>Daryl: SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO
HAVE SEEN THE PICTURE AND WANT TO REPLICATE THAT EXPERIENCE?>>I COULDN’T REALLY SAY WHAT
THEIR PERSONAL MOTIVATIONS ARE. WE HAZARD A GUESS. THOSE LOCATIONS THEMSELVES
WOULD RATHER, PEOPLE REFRAIN FROM GOING TO THOSE SPOTS.>>Daryl: KATHLEEN
ELIOTT-PAHINUI FROM THE BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY. WHAT IS YOUR THEORY ABOUT
WHAT’S GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA IMPACT ON
WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING?>>I THINK SOCIAL MEDIA HAS
ABSOLUTELY FUELED THE QUEST FOR SOMETHING NEW AND
DIFFERENT AND I THINK AS KURT MENTIONED IN THE CLIP WE JUST
SAW, ABOUT NARCISSISTIC, I HAVE TO GET THAT SELFIE IN THE
TOP, OF HAIKU STAIRS. THEY HAD A SWING UP THERE. THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS AND STUFF. FOR US, IT WAS HORRIFYING THAT
THAT WAS UP THERE. WE HAD TO SPEND OVER $20,000
TO GO UP THERE AND TAKE THIS DOWN THAT SOMEBODY HAD JUST
PUT UP. MOVE AWAY FROM THE RATE PAYORS
MARKET AND TIME AWAY FROM THE MISSION SERVING THE PUBLIC
WITH SAFE WATER. THE INTERNET HAS REALLY, WE
TRACK IT EVERY DAY. GET A REPORT EVERY DAY AND I
WILL COME BACK ESPECIALLY ON A MONDAY AND THERE WILL BE
THREE DOZEN TWEETS AND FACEBOOK POSTS ABOUT I’M
GOING TO DO STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN. FROM ALL OVER THE THE WORLD. NORWAY, WE JUST HAD SOMEONE
FROM NORWAY RECENTLY. AUSTRALIA. SOCIAL MEDIA HAS ABSOLUTELY
FUELED THE QUEST, THE DESIRE FOR A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE THAT
MOST PEOPLE I THINK DON’T REALIZE IS PROBABLY WELL
BEYOND MOST OF THEIR CAPABILITIES.>>Daryl: WE’VE GOT SOME DATA
HERE OF THIS FIRST DATA IS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN RESCUE. TALKING ABOUT OAHU. HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO IN 2015, 187 RESCUES. 2016, 260 RESCUES. I DON’T WANT TO DO THE MATH TOO
FAST. THAT’S LIKE 73 MORE RESCUES,
RIGHT? AND THEN IN 2017, ONLY THROUGH
THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, NOT QUITE 166, SO YOU’RE ON A
PACE TO HIT OVER 300 RESCUES IN THE MOUNTAINS. WE MENTIONED HAIKU STAIRS
SPECIFICALLY. 18. 22 AND 7 ALSO SEEMS TO BE
TRENDING UP. WHAT KIND OF A BURDEN DOES
THAT PUT ON THE DEPARTMENT?>>THERE IS DEFINITE BURDEN. AS FAR AS FINANCIAL, IT’S ALL
WITHIN OUR BUDGET. HOWEVER, THE RISK TO OUR
PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT, MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS WE CAN’T BE
IN TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME. SO WHEN WE’RE PERSONNEL AND
EQUIPMENT IS DOING A RESCUE, SOMEWHERE ESPECIALLY BECAUSE
OF SOMEBODY PUTTING THEMSELVES IN HARM’S WAY
UNNECESSARILY, OR NOT PREPARING FOR THEIR HIKE, IF
OUR EQUIPMENT IS UP THERE, RESCUE PERSONNEL, HELICOPTER
IS UP THERE, THEY’RE NOT AVAILABLE FOR OTHER RESCUES
THAT MIGHT BE EVEN MORE TIME SENSITIVE. SAY OCEAN-RELATED RESCUES.>>Daryl: LET ME GO THROUGH
SOME MORE DATA. THIS TIME, ON FATALITIES. WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY DIED IN THESE ACCIDENTS. STATEWIDE NUMBERS. PRIMARILY FROM THE HEALTH
DEPARTMENT, MEDICAL EXAMINERS AND SO ON IN
HAWAI’I. HAWAI’I COUNTY, FIVE
FATALITIES OVER 3, 4 YEARS. HONOLULU, TEN. KAUAI COUNTY FIVE. MAUI COUNTY 8. ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF THOSE ARE
NONRESIDENTS WITH IS A LARGE PROPORTION THAN TOURISTS MAKE
UP IN THE POPULATION AND THEN THE NONFATAL INJURIES, IF WE
REQUEST GO THROUGH THOSE, 180 DISCHARGED FROM EMERGENCY
UNITS. 77 REQUIRE ADMISSION TO THE
HOSPITAL BY COUNTY. KAUAI COUNTY, 56. HONOLULU, 105. KAUAI COUNTY 32. MAUI COUNTY 64. ABOUT A THIRD NONRESIDENTS. 25% OF THOSE REQUIRE
HOSPITALIZATION. NONRESIDENTS. HOW DO PEOPLE USUALLY DIE IN
THESE ACCIDENTS? WHAT HAPPENS? FALLING OFF A CLIFF
>>MYRIAD OF WAYS OF GETTING IN TROUBLE. TRIP AND FALLS AND TRAUMATIC
INJURIES. BUT THERE’S OTHER THINGS IN
TERMS OF UNPREPAREDNESS, NOT BEING HYDRATED BEFORE, DURING
AND AFTER. NOT EVEN BEING WELL BRIEFED,
FINDING OUT WHAT THE TRAIL IS AND WHAT THE HAZARDS OF THAT
TRAIL AND WHAT SKILL SETS YOU NEED TO TRAVERSE THOSE TRAILS
SAFELY. SO THERE’S A WHOLE BUNCH OF
THINGS. BUT THE ONE DEFINITELY THAT
POP UP HIGH PROFILE ARE THE ONES WITH THE FALLS. BUT LARGE MAJORITY IS JUST
PEOPLE RUNNING OUT OF DAYLIGHT. START LATE.>>Daryl: AARON LOWE FROM THE
STATE. WHAT IS YOUR OBSERVATION IN
TERMS OF THE KIND OF INJURIES YOU TEND TO SEE AND WHAT DO YOU
DO AS AN ORGANIZATION TO TRY TO MAINTAIN TRAILS, TRY TO
KEEP THEM SAFE? I MEAN, CAN YOU REALLY KEEP
TRAILS SAFE OR IS THAT JUST YOU’RE BATTLING NATURE?>>YEAH, I MEAN, THAT’S WHAT
OUR JOB IS. TO TRY AND PROVIDE TRAILS FOR
PEOPLE TO BE SAFE ON. SO THE TRAILS THAT WE MAINTAIN
AND MANAGE, WE TRY TO DIRECT THE PUBLIC TO AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE. THROUGH OUR WEBSITE,
BROCHURE, ANY TYPE OF MEDIA THAT WE CAN. WE’RE TRYING TO STEP THAT UP
TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH THE ONGOING INCREASE IN SOCIAL
MEDIA. OR WHAT I LIKE TO CALL SOCIAL
TRAIL MEDIA. IN OUR WORLD, WE CALL TRAILS
THAT GO OFF THE MAIN TRAIL A SOCIAL TRAIL. SO I’VE COME UP WITH THE TERM,
SOCIAL TRAIL MEDIA IS BASICALLY GOING OFF OF THAT
PATH THAT YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO STAY ON AND THAT’S WHAT
HAPPENS A LOT WITH SOCIAL MEDIA IS THERE’S A LOT OF
MISINFORMATION OUT THERE. WE TRY TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO
WHAT WE ARE MANAGING AND THAT INCLUDES, WE HAVE A NEW
WEBSITE AND THAT WEBSITE HAS THE MOST AMOUNT OF CONTENT AND
INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN GET MORE THAN ANY OTHER WEBSITE
BECAUSE WE’VE HIRED PEOPLE TO GIVE US THAT CONTENT AND MAKE
IT INTERESTING. SO THAT WE DRAW PEOPLE IN. BUT IT’S STILL HARD. SOME OTHER SITES AND OUR, A
LITTLE VERY CREATIVE AND VERY OPEN AND AGAIN, LIKE YOU KNOW,
I THINK KURT WAS SAYING TOO, IT’S THOSE PLACES OFF THE
TRAIL, OFF OF WHAT WE MANAGE, THAT’S ACTUALLY INTRIGUING.>>Daryl: WHY WOULD THEY BE
MORE INTRIGUED WHEN THEY’VE GOT A PERFECTLY MORE SAFE, MAP
AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IS IT BECAUSE OF THE PICTURES
OUT THERE OF THESE PLACES OR IS THERE SPECIFIC
INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO VIOLATE THE LAW AND GET TO
THESE TRAILS?>>YOU KNOW, IT’S HARD TO SAY. I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE ARE
LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO
BE TOLD WHERE TO GO OR HAVE TO FOLLOW A SIGN. SOMETIMES WORD OF MOUTH IS
VERY POWERFUL TOO. YOU WOULDN’T BELIEVE WHAT THE
WATERFALL LOOKED LIKE I WENT TO THE OTHER DAY. GUARANTEED SOMEONE IS GOING
TO TRY TO GO TO THAT WATERFALL. I MEAN, YEARS AGO, WHEN I GOT
HERE 30 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN’T REALLY HAVE THE TRAIL PROGRAM
AT THAT POINT AND I WENT AND HIKED BY WORD OF MOUTH, AND
THOSE ARE PLACES THAT NOW ARE BACK THEN, OR HAVE UP TO 150
PEOPLE A DAY ON THEM. BACK THEN, IT WAS FANTASTIC.>>Daryl: WHEN YOU SEE THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVERSING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR
DISCUSSION A WILL BIT ABOUT IT, WE’LL TALK MORE
SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IT LATER, THERE’S ALWAYS DIFFERENT WAYS
PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THESE TRAILS. DO YOU SEE THEM LIKE WITH
THEIR PHONES GOING, OKAY, WE’RE SUPPOSED TO WALK
THROUGH THIS GUY’S HOUSE. WE’RE SUPPOSED TO, IS IT THAT
OBVIOUS?>>PRETTY MUCH. STANDING ON CORNER GOING, NO,
WE’RE SUPPOSED TO GO THIS WAY. I’LL TELL THEM. NO. THAT’S ILLEGAL. TRESPASSING. THIS IS THE WAY WE’RE SUPPOSED
TO GO AND WE’RE GOING TO GO THAT WAY, YOU’RE SHOCKED
THEY GO THIS AND POINT THEM IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO THE ACTUAL LEGITIMATE TRAIL HEAD
AND THEY STUBBORNLY REFUSE TO DO IT.>>I’VE SEEN WRITE-UPS ON
BLOGS WHERE TAKE A LEFT AT THE NO TRESPASSING SIGN. USE THE SIGN AS A DIRECTION
FINDER.>>DEFINITELY. THERE’S SO MANY WAYS TO GET TO
HAIKU STAIRS. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO COUNT. I THINK ONE DAY, WHEN YOU GUYS
WERE OUT DOING SOME VERY IMPORTANT WORK, YOU HAD TO
SWING BY AND GET A COUPLE OF PEOPLE OUT OF A CULVERT OR
SOMETHING RECENTLY. SAME DAY AS ANOTHER ISSUE HAD
HAPPENED.>>SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. EMERGENCY.>>EXACTLY. ANT DIVERTED FROM RESCUING
ONE GROUP TO ADDRESSING ANOTHER GROUP THAT WAS
LOOKING FOR HAIKU STAIRS. THEY GOT LOST LOOKING FOR THE
TRAIL HEAD. TRYING TO FIND A WAY OF
CIRCUMVENTING THE BARRIERS.>>RIGHT. AROUND OUR SECURITY GUARD
THERE. THAT’S A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHAT
THE CAPTAIN WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.>>Daryl: WE COULD GO A LITTLE
BIT MORE INTO HAIKU STAIRS. NOW, CLOSED TO PUBLIC IN 1987,
VANDALISM AND LIABILITY. COAST GUARD OWNS FACILITIES
AROUND THERE. CITY & COUNTY OWNS THE LAND,
BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY — I DON’T THINK THE COAST GUARD
HAS ANY OWNERSHIP ANY MORE. IT WAS 1989. I’M SORRY. IT WAS CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC
FINALLY.>>Daryl: BUT THEN IT GOT
RENOVATED IN 2005. PEOPLE GOT CONFUSED. GOT SAFER BUT STILL ILLEGAL.>>HARRIS ADMINISTRATION DID
UPGRADE OF THE STAIRS. UPGRADED THEM. FIXED THEM. I’M NOT 100% CLEAR ON ALL THE
DETAILS, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE IT WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE CITY & COUNTY AND
FOR WHATEVER REASON, AT THE TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL DID NOT
APPROVE THE TRANSFER.>>Daryl: AND THEN THE YOU
FOLKS JUST WANT TO REMOVE THE STAIRS IF IT’S STUCK. IF YOU’RE STUCK WITH THE
MANAGING IT, RATHER IT NOT BE THERE.>>ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
STATEMENT WE’RE DOING A STUDY. PREFERRED ACTION RIGHT NOW,
COURSE OF ACTION IS REMOVAL OF THE STAIRS. WE ARE LOOKING AT MANAGED
ACCESS AND TRANSFER ALL AFTER THOSE THINGS AS WELL.>>Daryl: SPECIFICALLY, HAIKU
STAIRS, WHAT KIND OF CHALLENGES DOES THAT TRAIL
SPECIFICALLY POSE FOR HIKERS AND WHAT, I MEAN, I’VE SEEN
THAT AREA WHERE IT’S COMPLETELY IN THE CLOUDS. YOU COULDN’T DO MUCH ABOUT
THAT EVEN IF YOU GOT A CALL. THERE’S BEEN MANY TIMES
WHETHER, BY WEATHER, DARK, AND HIGH WINDS, WHERE WE HAVE
TO SUSPEND OPERATIONS AND HIKERS HAVE TO SPEND SEVERAL
EXTRA HOURS OR SPEND THE NIGHT UP THERE. FORTUNATELY, IN FOR MY
MEMORY, I DON’T RECALL ANY LIFE AND DEATH WHERE THERE WAS
A LIFE THREATENING INJURY OR ILLNESS WHERE THEY NEEDED
IMMEDIATE CARE. BASICALLY, THEY SPENT
UNCOMFORTABLE NIGHT UP THERE. BUT THE POTENTIAL BEING
GRAVELY INJURED AND AWAITING RESCUE BECAUSE OF THAT REMOTE
LOCATION, HAZARDOUS FOR US TO GET THERE. IT’S A VERY DANGEROUS WAY. IT’S NOT JUST THE HAIKU
STAIRS. IT’S ACTUALLY THE SUMMIT AREA
WHERE PEOPLE ARE FINDING OTHER WAY OF GETTING THERE
THROUGH MOANALUA VALLEY AND OTHER AREAS ON THE PERIPHERAL
SIDE, TRYING TO GET THERE. THOSE AREAS CAN BE EVEN MORE
HAZARDOUS THAN THE STAIRS THEMSELVES. SO IT’S NOT JUST THE STAIRS. IT’S THE GENERAL AREA, THE
TYPE OF ROCK AND TRAIL WHERE IT’S CRUMBLY AND HAZARDOUS,
PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THE HAZARDS UNTIL THEY GET UP THERE WHERE
THEIR LIVES ARE IN JEOPARDY.>>Daryl: INTERESTING CALLER. BORN AND RAISED HERE. WANTS TO KNOW WHY THE STATE
DOESN’T HAVE A TRAM AND CABLE TO TAKE PEOPLE UP, BLOCK UP
THE TRAILS BUT ALLOW VISITORS AND RESIDENTS TO SAFELY ENJOY
THE BEAUTY. INTERESTING IDEA. WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>I THINK THAT THOSE IDEAS
HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST BY DIFFERENT
ADMINISTRATIONINGS.>>Daryl: CABLE CAR TO THE TOP
OF KOKO HEAD WAS ONE THAT I REMEMBER.>>RIGHT. NOT SURE HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COMMUNITY BOARD WOULD REACT TO THAT. I THINK OUR OUTDOOR CIRCLE,
OUR VIEWS OF THESE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPES ARE WONDERFUL AND
THAT TYPE OF FEATURE WOULD OBSCURE THAT. INTERESTING IDEA. ANOTHER COUNTRIES,
DEFINITELY HAVE ENGAGED IN THAT, THOSE TYPES OF
FACILITIES. NOT SURE.>>Daryl: ON THAT POINT, YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD NO ONE HAS REALLY INVESTED ANYTHING IN
PROVIDING FOR ALL OF THESE PEOPLE.>>ABSOLUTELY. IT’S NOT MANAGED BY ANYONE AT
THIS POINT. NOT THE STATE, NOT CITY, NOT
PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, NO ONE.
AND THEY GO OFF TRAIL A LOT. THAT’S HOW THEY GET LOST. AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED
EARLIER, MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL HIKERS. PREPARED HIKERS. GO IN AT 6:00 AT NIGHT. I’LL STOP MY CAR, SAYING IT’S
TOO LATE TO GO, YOU’LL NEVER MAKE IT BACK. THEY TELL ME THEY’LL MAKE IT
BACK. 3 HOURS, THESE GUYS WILL BE
GOING TO GET THEM OUT.>>Daryl: BRING YOU UP TO SPEED
A LITTLE BIT ON THE SITUATION WITH MAUNAWILI. WE TALKED ABOUT THE MULTIPLE
OWNERS, SO ROYAL HAWAIIAN GOLF CLUB AS I UNDERSTAND IT,
OWNS A CHUNK OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH WHICH THE TRAIL GOES. THEN THERE’S SOME ROADS THAT
WHERE THE ROYAL HAWAIIAN GOLF CLUB ROADS THAT YOU SAY NOW,
THEY DON’T HE PEOPLE PARK ON WHICH IS FORCED PEOPLE INTO
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT?>>THAT’S MOSTLY FOR THE
OLOMANA TRAIL. THAT THEY USE THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO —
>>WELL, YEAH. I MEAN.>>Daryl: IS THERE A TRAIL
THERE TOO IN THE SAME AREA?>>MAUNAWILI FALLS TRAIL THAT
WE HAVE IN OUR JURISDICTION IS FURTHER ON UP. MAUNAWILI FALLS TRAIL
THAT’S –>>CONNECTOR TRAIL.>>RIGHT.>>COME IN FROM HAIRPIN TURN. HIKE IN MAUNAWILI
DEMONSTRATION TRAIL. DROP DOWN INTO THE WATERFALL.>>Daryl: IT’S A REALLY HARD
TRAIL. LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING. AND THE ALIGNMENT THAT’S IN
PLACE NOW GOES THROUGH HRT LAND.>>Daryl: GOLF CLUB.>>RIGHT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS A
PROVISION FROM THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SOME 20 YEARS AGO. THAT THE COMMUNITY WANT TO SEE
THAT LANDOWNER WHO WAS COMING IN WITH GOLF COURSES TO
PROVIDE AN ACCESS. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THAT
PERMIT THAT STIMULATED WHAT TYPE OF MAINTENANCE OR
MANAGEMENT OF THE ACCESS. SO THEY’RE UPHOLDING WHAT
THEY NEED TO DO FOR THAT ACCESS BY NOT PREVENTING
PEOPLE FROM GOING ON THERE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE’S
NO MANAGEMENT IN PLACE FOR THE TRAIL.>>Daryl: LET ME ASK, EVEN
THOUGH I’M NOT SPECIFICALLY ASKING YOU KATHLEEN
ELIOTT-PAHINUI ABOUT MAUNAWILI, BUT AS A
RESPONSIBLE LANDOWNER, WHAT IS THE BALANCE THAT YOU SEE? I MEAN, YOUR MISSION IS TO
COLLECT CLEAN WATER AND MAKE SURE IT’S SAFE. POTABLE WATER.>>Daryl: NOT OPERATE
RECREATIONAL TRAIL.>>NO.>>Daryl: CAN’T GET ANYONE
ELSE TO TAKE IT OFF YOUR HANDS?>>PART OF THE EIS PROCESS IS
GOING TO DELVE INTO THAT. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME
PEOPLE WHO PROPOSE, HAVE SOME PROPOSALS. SO THAT PART OF WHAT WE’RE
GOING TO DO IS LOOK AT THAT PROCESS THROUGH THE IMPACT
STUDY.>>Daryl: YOU WANTED TO SAY
SOME MORE?>>CURRENT PARKING FOR THE
KELEWINA ACCESS, WHICH IS WHAT THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER
HRT, I GUESS THE ROYAL HAWAIIAN, HAVE THAT ACCESS. PEOPLE PARK ON KELIWINA
STREET. CARS LINE THE ROAD AND IT GOES
ON THE WEEKENDS, IT’S HORRIBLE. AND THROWING THE RUBBISH AND
MAKING A MESS. THAT’S WHAT THE RESIDENTS
WANT TO HAVE STOPPED. THERE’S NO PEACE IN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD ANY MORE. CLOSING THAT TRAIL HEAD
ACCESS WILL HELP SOLVE THAT ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE THREE OTHER ACCESS
POINTS TO MAUNAWILI FALLS. ALSO RIGHT NOW, WE’RE LOOKING
AT MAYBE GETTING THE QUEEN’S RETREAT AS ANOTHER ACCESS
WHICH IS CLOSER THAN THE OTHER ACCESS POINT. SO IT WOULD BE A SHORTER HIKE. PARKING WOULD BE AWAY FROM THE
NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT
RESTROOM FACILITIES WHICH THERE’S NOTHING AT ALL NOW.
AND A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO DISPOSE OF THE RUBBISH
INSTEAD OF ON THE SIDE OF THE TRAIL.>>Daryl: BRINGS UP IN GENERAL
TERMS. WHY DON’T WE MAKE TOURISTS PAY
FOR THE RESCUE SERVICES AND/OR THE SERVICES OF THAT
WOULD BE NECESSARY TO SERVICE THEM IN GENERAL, PARKING AND
PUBLIC SORTS OF THINGS. LET ME START WITH YOU CAPTAIN. WHY DON’T WE MAKE TOURISTS PAY
FOR THE RESCUE SERVICES. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE
EVERYBODY PAY FOR THE RESCUE SERVICE, RIGHT?>>IF SOMEBODY IS IN NEED OF
RESCUE, THEY’LL GET A FEE, SEARCH AND RESCUE FEE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE –>>Daryl: ANOTHER CALLER ASKED
THE SAME THING. WHAT ARE YOU CHARGING FOR
RESCUES? SOME OTHER JURISDICTIONS
CHARGE, FOR EXAMPLE, OREGON.>>HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT,
WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT. IN ALIGNMENT WITH COAST
GUARD, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A SIMILAR BELIEF AS WELL. WHAT WE FEEL IS IF SOMEONE IN
NEED OF RESCUE FEELS THAT THEY MAY GET A LARGE BILL FOR THEIR
RESCUE, THEY MAY DELAY THEIR CALL FOR HELP OR REFUSE A CALL
FOR HELP UNTIL IT’S TOO LATE. I TRY TO ILLUSTRATE THIS WITH
A SCENARIO SAYING HIKING WITH MY FAMILY, I’M STARTING
TO FEEL A LITTLE SHORTNESS IN BREATH AND LITTLE BIT UNDER
THE WEATHER AND MAYBE SOMETHING IS WRONG. I’LL TRY TO TOUGH IT OUT. I DON’T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY 5,
$10,000 FOR THE RESCUE WHEN I FEEL IT MIGHT BE A BIG FEE. I’LL TRY TO TOUGH IT OUT FOR
A FEW MORE HOURS. WITH ON COMING OF NIGHT FALL,
POSSIBLE ONSET OF NATURE AND WEATHER CONDITIONS OR EVEN
DETERIORATING MEDICAL CONDITION, ALL OF THOSE
THINGS CAN COMPOUND A CONDITION MAKING IT MORE
COMPOUND AND COMPLEX FOR BOTH THE PATIENTS AND RESCUE
PERSONNEL.>>Daryl: CALLER IS ASKING,
MAYBE IF YOU CHARGED FOR RESCUES WHERE THEY WERE NOT
EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO IS AN
A LEGAL TRAIL, SO ON. WOULD THAT BE A DISINCENTIVE? I KNOW YOU GUYS DON’T REALLY
WANT TO GO THERE TOO MUCH, BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT IDEA? GOOD IDEA AT A PLACE YOU’RE
NOT ALLOWED TO BE AND WE HAVE TO RESCUE YOU, YOU’RE GOING TO
PAY A BILL? YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE
THAT.>>WE DO FEEL REGARDLESS OF
WHERE THE LOCATION IS, WHETHER THEY’RE IN DIAMOND
HEAD, OR WHETHER TOP OF HAIKU STAIRS, IF THERE’S A DELAY TOP
OF HAIKU STAIRS, WE’RE GOING STILL GO GOING TO BE IN
JEOPARDY GOING THERE. WHERE WE WANT AN EARLY
ACTIVATION OF CALL FOR HELP. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE
HAVE TAKEN THE PATIENTS TO LANDING ZONES AND IF THERE WAS
TRESPASSING, WE HAVE NOTIFIED DLNR AND HAVE NOTIFIED POLICE
TO CONTINUE WITHIN THE INVESTIGATION. AND THERE HAS BEEN A FEW
VIOLATIONS AND CITATION. WE DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO
DELAY. ANYTHING THEY WOULD ADD TO A
DELAY FOR A CALL, WE DON’T SUPPORT THAT.>>MOVING ON TO OTHER
QUESTIONS. GOING INTO THE ISSUE ABOUT
FINANCING, CLEARLY, ANYBODY THINK THERE’S ENOUGH RESOURCE
AVAILABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN,
PROTECT, HANDLE THIS ISSUE OF THE TOURISTS, NUMBERS THAT WE
HAVE.>>WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>IT’S HARD TO
WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>IT’S HARD TO SAY. I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE
MONEY COULD COME FROM SPECIFICALLY. I THINK THERE’S SOME
POTENTIAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER STATES, SHE DEPEND
HEAVILY ON THEIR TOURISM AUTHORITY. AND IN OTHER STATES, WHAT I’VE
SEEN IS ACTUALLY A REAL PUSH AND MARKETING CAMPAIGNS TO
GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO THEIR TOWNS BECAUSE THEY
JUST, DON’T HAVE TOURISM IN THEIR CHANGING THEIR ECONOMIC
MODEL. WITH US, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL
PLACE AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT. I LOOK AT IT KIND OF MAYBE
MARKETING TERMS, WOULD BE PRODUCT ENHANCEMENT, COULD BE
ANOTHER WORD GIVEN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT. PUT MONEY BACK INTO WHAT
YOU’RE TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE TO.
AND SO I THINK THAT AS PART OF ANY MARKETING, IS TO PUT MONEY
BACK INTO YOUR PRODUCT.>>I AGREE COMPLETELY. FISCAL YEAR 2018 BUDGET, YOU
ONLY GET 1% OF THE WHOLE BUDGET. DLNR. I MEAN, THAT’S OUR NATURAL
RESOURCES GETS 1%. TAKE AWAY THE SALARY, TAKE
AWAY BUILDINGS, EQUIPMENT, LEASES ALL OF THAT. YOU’RE PROBABLY LEFT WITH NOT
MUCH TO MANAGE YOUR TRAILS.>>I KNOW. MAKE A PLUG FOR MY SENATOR
RIVERA. WORKED HARD FOR DLNR. HE THEY WORK CLOSELY TO GET
DLNR MORE MONEY OF SPEAKING RESIDENTS OF THE NORTH SHORE,
WE DO NOT SPEND ENOUGH ON OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND I
PERSONALLY BELIEVE WE ARE REACHING OUR CARRYING
CAPACITY AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT
MANAGING IT BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO KILL WHAT WE HAVE AND
UNFORTUNATELY, HAVING ALSO WORKED IN THE TOURISM
INDUSTRY FOR MANY MANY YEARS, I FEEL SOMETIMES WE HAVE
BLINDERS ON WHEN WE WERE LOOKING TOO MUCH ABOUT MAKING
SURE WE’RE BRINGING PEOPLE HERE, BUT THEN NOT LOOKING AT
HOW WE’RE MANAGING OUR RESOURCES FOR LONGEVITY. NOT JUST FOR THE TOURISTS, BUT
WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS.>>WE GET LOST IN THE MIX AND
I TELL YOU, WEEKEND ON THE NORTH SHORE, I’M SURE IT’S THE
SAME IN KAILUA, I DON’T FEEL LIKE I EVEN LIVE IN A NICE
LITTLE COMMUNITY ANY MORE. AND IT’S GETTING TO THE POINT
WHERE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO FEEL VERY ANGST. A LOT OF ANGST. NEGATIVE ENERGY STARTING TO
BUBBLE UP I’M AFRAID.>>Daryl: AN ISSUE, WE TALK
ABOUT HAIKU STAIRS. ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE’VE SEEN
WHERE REVENUE COMES IN TO MAINTAIN AND SUPPORT PROJECT
ON DIAMOND HEAD. NOT ONE OF YOUR TRAILS, BUT
IT’S STATE TRAIL. AND THEY BRING IN A
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY AS I UNDERSTAND. HANAUMA BAY IS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE. CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY. IF YOU HAD A REVENUE STREAM
FOR HAIKU STAIRS, WOULD IT BE MANAGEABLE TO THE POINT WHERE
YOU COULD HAVE A VALUABLE, COOL ATTRACTION FOR PEOPLE IF
YOU HAD SOMEONE PAYING FOR IT? IS IT A MATTER OF MONEY?>>NO. I THINK IT’S BOARD OF WATER
SUPPLY, IT’S JUST NOT WITHIN OUR MISSION. WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON OUR
CORE MISSION, WHICH IS DELIVERING CLEAN, QUALITY
WATER TO THE PEOPLE OF OAHU. FOR US, DOES NOT FIT INTO OUR
CORE MISSION AT ALL.>>Daryl: GETTING A NUMBER OF
QUESTIONS. AS THE NUMBER OF HIKERS HAS
GROWN. HAS THERE BEEN ANY NUMBER OF
GROWTH IN THE MAINTAINED AND LEGAL TRAILS. AARON LOWE, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE
TO EXPAND THE NETWORK?>>EXPANSION IS CHALLENGING. THE THING WITH HAWAI’I, IS
THAT THEY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF LAND BASE. IT’S A LOT OF ELEVATION. BOREDRD BY WATER. CLIFFS, AND NOT TOO MUCH IN
BETWEEN. SO WE TRY TO EXPAND WHERE WE
CAN. THERE’S A LOT OF DIFFERENT
TRAILS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT WE KNOW OF, AND THEY FALL
ON EITHER PRIVATE LAND OR MILITARY LAND AND IT’S PART OF
OUR MISSION TO TRY AND EXPAND WHERE WE CAN. TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, IN OUR
PROGRAM, I MEAN, WE WOULD ADVOCATE FOR TRYING TO FIND
SOME KIND OF SOLUTION FOR THE STAIRS. BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT
WOULD BE NEEDED TO JUMP START THAT, FACILITIES, SAY THE
BATHROOMS AND PARKING AND ALL OF THAT, IF THAT COULD BE IN
PLACE AND THEN FIND A THIRD-PARTY CONCESSION, TO
MANAGE IT, AND SUSTAIN IT, WOULD BE FANTASTIC. AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE
GREAT FOR OUR ECONOMY ALSO. BUT IT’S JUST, IT’S EXTREMELY
CHALLENGING TO FIND THAT HUGE POT OF MONEY TO JUST JUMP
START AND START THAT.>>Daryl: YOU AND KATHLEEN
BOTH TALKED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THESE PLACES WHERE
YOU LIVED AND WERE ATTRACTED TO. HOW BAD IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE
DUE TO THE SITUATION FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW? AND WHAT WOULD YOU SEE AS A
APPROPRIATE SOLUTION SHORT OF CLOSING THE TRAIL?>>WELL, I THINK THAT’S THE
OPEN THING THAT WOULD HELP IS CLOSING IT. THERE IS NO PLACE TO PARK AND
IT’S NOT MANAGED BY ANYONE. THE TRAIL ISN’T MANAGED AND
THERE IS NO PLACE TO PARK. I DON’T SEE AN ANSWER. THE ONLY THING WOULD BE TO
MOVE THE IMMEDIATE LOCATION OFF TO PROBABLY QUEEN’S
RETREAT WHERE IT IS MORE MANAGED. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT FOR HAIKU
STAIRS WHERE YOU HAVE A PARKING LOT AND MAYBE CHARGE
A FEE FOR THE PARKING LOT. AND HAVE SOMEBODY MANAGE IT.
AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY DO IT IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE
IT’S PROPERLY MANAGED AND PROPERLY TAKEN CARE OF. I DON’T SEE IT DOABLE AS AT ALL
THE WAY IT IS.>>Daryl: WASN’T THE TRAIL
CLOSE SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSED TEMPORARILY WHERE THEY TRIED
TO FIND A SOLUTION.>>THE CITY GAVE THE PROPERTY
OWNER THE OPTION TO CLOSE IT WHILE THEY WORKED ON A
SOLUTION. BUT THEY HAVE NOT. THEY HAVE NOT.>>Daryl: GOOD QUESTION FROM
THE VIEWER. HAS HAWAI’I CONSIDERED
LIMITED THE NUMBER OF VISITOR ON ANY ISLAND AT ANY TIME? I THINK BACK IN THE ARIYOSHI
ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION OF THAT. PRETTY MUCH GONE BY THE
WAYSIDE IN THE MEANTIME. THIS ISSUE OF PRIVATE
PROPERTY, WHEN I WAS ACTIVE IN SOME HIKE AND SCOUTING AND SO
ON, IT FELT LIKE WE KEPT GOING TO THE SAME PLACES OVER
AND OVER. THERE WEREN’T ENOUGH CHOICES
FOR US AS A SCOUT TROOP. BUT I THERE’S HUGE SECTIONS OF
THE ISLAND CLOSED OFF BECAUSE THEY’RE PRIVATE PROPERTY BUT
IT LOOKED LIKE A REALLY NICE HIKE. DO PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO
ACCESS TRAILS THAT ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY OR IS THAT
ENTIRELY UP TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER?>>IT DEPENDS ON THE
SITUATION. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES, WHAT
WE’RE TRYING DO IS EXPAND ON AREAS THAT WE KNOW THAT
QUESTION PROVIDE MORE TRAIL ACCESS. AND MORE AREAS FOR
RECREATION. WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVATE
LANDOWNERS, IF THERE’S A TRAIL ON THEIR LAND, THEN IT’S
UP TO THAT PRIVATE LANDOWNER TO ENFORCE IT OR MANAGE IT. A LOT OF TIMES, THAT COMES
DOWN TO POSTING NO TRESPASSING SIGNS AND WORKING
WITH ENFORCEMENT ON DOING THAT.>>Daryl: IN TERMS OF THE ROLE
OF A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, IF THEY JUST LET PEOPLE GO,
AND DON’T ENFORCE IT, DO THEY LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO DEFEND
THEIR PROPERTY?>>NO. I’VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN. A LOT TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS IT
GOES BY THE WAYSIDE. DON’T RECOGNIZE IT UNTIL IT
BECOMES A PROBLEM. COMMUNITY BRINGS IT TO THEIR
ATTENTION. I THINK MARINER’S RIDGE WOULD
BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. EVENTUALLY, THE COMMUNITY WAS
UPSET WITH IT AND I THINK THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME FORM
OF INJURY ON THE TRAIL. AND AT THAT POINT, THEY FELT
THAT IT WAS TOO MUCH AND THEY CLOSED IT.>>Daryl: BOARD OF WATER
SUPPLY, WE DISCUSS THIS PRIOR TO THE SHOW. ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO
PREVENT PEOPLE, EVEN IF YOU SAY WE’RE CLOSING THE TRAIL,
TELL US WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN USING PRIVATE
SECURITY AT A TRAIL HEAD TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM USING
THAT TRAIL. WHAT HAPPENS?>>WELL, THE FIRST OF ALL,
WHAT PEOPLE DON’T REALIZE IS THAT THE PARCEL THAT HAIKU
STAIRS SITS ON IS LANDLOCKED. THERE’S NO EASEMENTS. WE HAVE SPECIAL EASEMENTS
WITH JOINING LANDOWNERS TO ALLOW OUR STAFF TO GO ON. BUT ONLY FOR BOARD OF WATER
SUPPLY EMPLOYEES. AND SO YOU ACTUALLY ARE
TRAVERSING DEPENDING ON WHICH ROUTE YOU COME, YOU COULD BE
TRESPASSING OVER ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS. SO WE DO HAVE A SECURITY GUARD
AT THE TRAIL HEAD WHO TRIES TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM GOING
ON. WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO A
PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION WITH THEM. THEY’LL CALL THE POLICE AND
SAY SOMEBODY IS GOING UP THERE. COME BACK. IF YOU CAN COME AT SUCH AND
SUCH A TIME, I EXPECT THEY WILL BE COMING DONE. THE POLICE WILL BE WAITING
TORE THEM AND GIVE THEM A CITATION.>>Daryl: YOU HAVE TO GET A
POLICE OFFICER THERE WHEN THE PERSON COMES DOWN.>>EXACTLY.>>Daryl: HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN CITED.>>THIS YEAR, CITED SO FAR
THROUGH JUNE OF THIS YEAR. 18 PEOPLE. WE JUST RECEIVED A COUPLE OF
SUBPOENAS GO TO THE DISTRICT COURT IN KANEOHE ON COUPLE OF
THOSE CITATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2016 ALONE, WE
ISSUED 325 CITATION.>>Lara: GETTING A NUMBER OF
QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ISSUE OF ENFORCEMENT. I BELIEVE SEVERAL HIKING
PLACES SHOULD BE PROHIBITED ESPECIALLY IN HANA, MAUI. WHY DOESN’T DLNR HAVE MORE
ENFORCEMENT OF ILLEGAL HIKES. I SEE 20 HIKERS A DAY GOING TO
SACRED FALLS. LIMITED NUMBER OF HIKERS ON
KAUAI LIKE THEY’RE DOING AN ALL
HALEAKALA. WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE
ENFORCING THIS? YOUR TRAILS, YOUR JOB IS TO
OPEN TRAILS. ANOTHER VISION OF DLNR,
MISUSE OF PROPERTY. DON’T PEOPLE ENFORCE WHO IS
SUPPOSED TO BE ON PRIVATE TRAILS?>>NO. UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF
AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE LANDOWNERS. WHEN THIS COMES TO OUR TRAIL,
WE’RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE TO REGULATE PEOPLE
ON TRAILS OR CHARGING FEES. WE DO NEED THE ENFORCEMENT ARM
HELP US WITH THAT EFFORT. I’M FEELING ENCOURAGED WITH
OUR NEW LEADERSHIP. CHIEF FARO IS OUR NEW DLNR
ADMINISTRATOR FOR DOCARE AND I’M HOPEFUL THAT WE’RE GOING
TO START SEEING SOME MORE ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS. WE ARE ALREADY I THINK,
KALALAU AND SOME OTHER AREAS, DIAMOND HEAD HAS SEEN, GREAT
INCREASE IN ENFORCEMENT. I THAT’S KIND OF KEY AND WHAT
WE SEE IN OTHER STATES. ALSO, IS THAT YOU NEED THAT TO
SUPPORT YOUR MANAGEMENT EFFORTS.>>Daryl: YOU MENTIONED
KALALAU. LET’S TALK ABOUT KALALAU A
LITTLE BIT. THAT’S THE PLACE WHEREAS
THINGS JUST HAVE GOTTEN COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL. WE MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT FEW
DISPUTE HOW DANGEROUS THAT TRAIL REALLY CAN BE. ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT
WEBSITES. TALKING ABOUT KALALAU. EVEN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE
FALLEN OFF THE MOUNTAINS AND DIED. WHILE ONE HIKER WEBSITE WE
LOOKED AT CALLS KALALAU ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS TRAILS ON
EARTH. ANYONE WHO TRIES TO BE VERY
EXPERIENCED AND EXCELLENT PHYSICAL CONDITION. UNREAL HAWAII, CONVENIENCE
FOR THESE HIKERS, PICTURE-PERFECT WEATHER. NOT ANXIOUS ABOUT THE TRAIL
MEASURES 16 INCHES WIDE WITH A DROP OF 2,000 FEET. WE HAVE THE PHOTOS THAT HAVE
STRETCH OF THE TRAIL. THIS IS HOW THEY DESCRIBED IT. THIS IS ONE OF THE COOLEST
SECTIONS OF KALALAU TRAIL. YOU’RE WALKING ON A NARROW
TRAIL ON CLIFF SIDE MADE OF LOOSE DIRT. YOU CAN SEE THERE’S PLENTY OF
ROOM TO WALK COMPARED TO THE HIKES WE’VE DONE ON THE OAHU,
THE KALALAU TRAIL FELT VERY SAFE. LESS EXPERIENCED HIKERS, I
COULD SEE HOW THIS THIS SECTION COULD BE A LITTLE
UNSETTLING. WE WONDER IF THIS IS THE KIND
OF EXAMPLE THAT MISLEADING INFORMATION FOUND ON LINE. YOU’RE DRIVEN BY WHATEVER
SITE YOU PICK.>>THAT’S CORRECT. AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT
WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS POINT PEOPLE TO OUR WEBSITE. KALALAU TRAIL IS A STATE PARK
TRAIL. SLIGHTLY, IT’S DIFFERENT
DIVISION THAN US. DEFINITELY HAVE THE SAME
CHALLENGES WE DO. JUST TRYING TO POINT PEOPLE TO
THE CORRECT INFORMATION. AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE
THAT SOMEONE WOULD READ THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, NOT HOPE
THAT THEY WOULD READ THAT AND USE THAT INFORMATION. THAT PARTICULAR ONE. BUT THAT THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE
THAT THERE IS DEFINITELY A DANGER IN GOING ON THAT TRAIL
AND THAT TRAIL HAS PERMITTING INVOLVED IN GETTING AND GOING
ON THAT TRAIL. AND I THINK THAT THE ENFORCE
HAS BEEN STEPPED UP ON THAT AND SO HOPEFULLY, PEOPLE WHO
KNOW GO BEFORE GETTING HURT.>>Daryl: ON THAT POINT, WE
HAVE ANOTHER CLIP. THAT’S ABOUT RECENT
ENFORCEMENT EFFORT THAT WAS DONE THERE WHERE THEY WENT AND
THEY GOT SOMETHING LIKE 2 HAD BEEN PEOPLE ARRESTED IN
KALALAU IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND WHEN DLNR MADE A RECENT
TRIP THERE, THEY ENDED UP FINDING A LOT OF PEOPLE
SUSPECTED TO BE LONGTERM SQUATTERS. WE’VE GOT A CLIP FROM THE
CHIEF OF THE DOCARE DIVISION, I THINK IT’S THERE. ROBERT FARO, AND HERE’S WHAT
HE SAID ABOUT DISAPPOINTMENT TO SEE THE SPECIAL AREA BEING
ABUSED.>>SO YESTERDAY, WE CAME IN
EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND HIKED ALONG THE LEGAL CAMPING
AREAS AND CHECKED A FEW FOLKS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE PERMITS. WE NOTICED FEW CAMP SITES
LOOKED LIKE THERE THEY HAD BEEN THERE QUITE A WHILE. NOBODY WAS THERE. HIKED UP THE CANYON OUTSIDE
LEGAL CAMPING AREA. CAME UPON SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS
IN ILLEGAL CAMPS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. STUFF PACKED IN. SOME ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. THERE WAS ILLEGAL CROSSBOW IN
ONE OF THE CAMPS. MAY HAVE BEEN POACHING LOCAL
WILDLIFE, GOATS, PIGS. WE FOUND SOME SMALL MARIJUANA
STARTER PLANTS AND THEN WE FOUND LARGER MARIJUANA,
ACTUALLY BUDDING PLANTS. AND SO THERE WERE SEVERAL
SUBJECTS IN THE AREA THEY HAD NO PERMITS IN ADDITION TO
BEING INSIDE THE ILLEGAL CAMPING AREA AND JUST WAS NOT
SOMETHING WE LIKE TO SEE BACK HERE. JUST SOMETHING VERY
DETRIMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT. THE THING ABOUT THIS PLACE IS
THE VERY, VERY REMOTE. LOGISTICALLY CHALLENGING
BOTH PUT OFFICERS IN HERE, KEEP OFFICERS IN HERE ANY KIND
OF SUSTAINED EFFORT, SO WE’RE REALLY JUST BACK HERE TRYING
TO SPOT CHECK WHEN WE CAN. AND SO IT’S A VERY DIFFICULT
LOGISTICALLY CHALLENGING PLACE TO ENFORCE. THERE’S NO COMMUNICATIONS. SATELLITE PHONES ARE THE OPEN
WAY TO ESTABLISH CONTACT WITH ANYBODY FOR EMERGENCY
SERVICES. OR ANY TYPE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
ACTIONS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE PEOPLE
BACK HERE, GETTING THEM OUT OF THE AREA SAFELY IS A BIG
CHALLENGE. SO IT’S A VERY CHALLENGING AND
ENVIRONMENT TO WORK IN.>>Daryl: CAPTAIN JENKINS,
THAT MUST BE MAKING YOU THINK, WELL, THAT’S KIND OF OUR JOB
TOO. THESE VERY REMOTE AREAS. HOW BIG A CHALLENGE IS IT? WE LOST A COUPLE OF
FIREFIGHTERS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO IN A RESCUE. I THINK IT WAS A RESCUE,
RIGHT? WHAT IS IT THAT CONCERNS YOU
MOST ABOUT THIS FUTURE THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS
OF KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE, TRYING TO RESCUE PEOPLE? INCREDIBLY REMOTE AREAS?>>WELL, ON OAHU, REMOTE AREAS
IS RIGHT ALONG THE KO’OLAU RIDGE LINE. WHERE WE HAVE THAT
POSSIBILITY OF LOW CLOUD COVER, DIFFERENT TYPES OF
WIND CONDITIONS, HAZARDOUS, THIS IS WITH THE HELICOPTER
OPERATIONS AND I BELIEVE YOU’RE REFERRING TO BACK IN
’95 WHERE WE HAD THAT HELICOPTER CRASH WITH OUR
PILOT PETER CROWN AND ALSO, TWO POLICE OFFICERS AS WELL.>>Daryl: POLICE OFFICERS.>>THAT WAS DEFINITELY A
TRAGEDY. WE WERE LOOKING FOR A LOST
HIKER. UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE UNABLE
TO LOCATE THAT HIKER AS WELL. SO YOU HAVE MORE OCCURRENCES
WHERE FIREFIGHTERS AND OTHER RESPONDERS PUTTING
THEMSELVES IN JEOPARDY ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE WHO
UNNECESSARILY PUT THEMSELVES IN JEOPARDY WITHOUT
PREPARING, WITHOUT LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE SAFER AREAS TO GO
TO, THE THRILL SEEKERS. IT’S A VERY DIFFICULT
SITUATION TO TRY AND MITIGATE. BUT THE BEST WAY WE CAN LOOK
AT IT RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH EDUCATION AND PREPAREDNESS
FOR THESE PEOPLE AS THEY’RE COMING IN. WHETHER IT’S LOCAL, OR
WHETHER IT’S MILITARY OR VISITORS. GETTING THE EDUCATION OUT TO
THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THERE’S GOING TO BE THE
THRILLSEEKERS THAT WE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
CONVINCE. THAT’S GOING TO BE
ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER MEANS. BUT FOR THE BULK OF IT, IF WE
CAN GET THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WELL EDUCATED ON WHAT SAFEWAY
OF ENJOYING OUR ISLANDS IT WOULD BE BEST FOR ALL OF US
INCLUDING RESIDENCE AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS.>>Daryl: AARON LOWE FROM
DLNR, AGAIN, THAT’S NOT YOUR DIVISION. IT WENT DOWN IN THERE, KOOLAU. BUT IT MUST MAKE YOU THINK,
WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES WOULD YOU REALLY NEED TO BRING UP
THE SAFETY LEVEL OF SOME OF THESE AREAS?>>WELL, I THINK FOR OUR
TRAILS, OUR NA ALA HELE TRAILS, ONLY TRAIL PROGRAM IN
THE STATE. EXCLUSIVELY AND EXTENSIVELY
SPEND OUR FEDERAL RECREATION TRAIL MONEY ON THE
IMPROVEMENT OF TRAILS FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AND FOR THE
ENJOYMENT OF THE PUBLIC. SO YOU KNOW, IT TAKES, WE
WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND. WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP MORE
TRAILS AND GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE. BUT WE DO HAVE THE CHALLENGE
OF TRYING TO NEGOTIATE SOME OF THESE TRAIL ACCESSES WITH
PRIVATE LANDOWNERS. MILITARY, THERE’S QUITE A BIT
OF MILITARY TRAINING LAND THAT COULD BE HAVE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPANSION. WE HAVE EXPANDED SOME OF OUR
FOREST RESERVES ON OAHU. HONOULIULI, WITH THE HELP OF
THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER
AGENCIES, LIKE BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY AND ALSO THE MILITARY. ALSO, MOANALUA VALLEY WAS A
ACQUISITION THAT CAME INTO OUR HANDS AND NOW, WE HAVE
MORE TRAILS IN THOSE AREAS. BUT IT’S CONTINUED CHALLENGE. WE HAVE A PRETTY MINIMAL
STAFF. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU
KNOW, I THINK BE ABLE TO GROW OUR STAFF AND BE CONFIDENT
THAT WE’RE ABLE TO MANAGE ANY NEW PLACES THAT WE OPEN UP FOR
THE PUBLIC. SO AND BE READY FOR THE
INCREASE THAT THEY USE.>>
>>Daryl: YOU’RE THINKING IT FEELS LIKE EVERYBODY IS
COMING TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST WONDER IF YOU’RE
THINKING THAT, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET MORE PEOPLE
TO GO TO MORE PLACES INSTEAD OF ALL COMING TO MAUNAWILI. YOU KNOW, IT’S A BEAUTIFUL
FALLS. I MEAN, IT’S NOT MAINTAINED. THE TRAIL HEAD THEY’RE USING
NOW, AND I THINK IF WE STEWARDSHIP THE AREA IN THE
PROPER WAY, IT CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR ENJOYMENT FOR
ALL. YOU KNOW, AND ALSO, THE
EDUCATION, THEY NEED TO BE PROPERLY STUDENTS TO GO
HIKING. I’VE HAD PEOPLE KNOCK ON MY
DOOR, COULD I HAVE SOME WATER BEFORE I GO HIKE. YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD KNOW
AT LEAST BRING A WATER BOTTLE. NO. I’M SERIOUS. NO. PROPER PREPAREDNESS, BETTER
LOCATION. BETTER TRAIL TO ACCESS THE
NATURAL RESOURCES. IS ALL NECESSARY IF YOU REALLY
WANT IT TO GROW AND TO BE PROTECTED.>>Daryl: THIS IS AN
INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT
HOW TO ENFORCE AND HOW TO FINANCE THESE KINDS OF
THINGS, NATURALLY BRING UP THE QUESTION, WELL, IF WE
START TO RESTRICT ACCESS, THEN WE’RE ACTUALLY GOING
AFTER CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT RIGHTS IN THAT NATIVE
HAWAIIANS, THESE ARE AREAS THAT THERE IS SOME, I THINK,
RIGHT TO ACCESS CERTAIN PLACES. I DON’T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU
ARE WITH THIS. YOUR HISTORY. YOU KNOW, DON’T NATIVE
HAWAIIANS HAVE ACCESS TO PRIVATE LAND UNDER THE NATIVE
HAWAIIAN STATE OF HAWAII CONSTITUTION? ARE THERE RIGHTS TO ACCESS,
CONCERN THAT IF WE GET TOO ENFORCEMENT, PEOPLE AREN’T
GOING TO BE ACCESS LANDS THAT THEY NEED TO ACCESS
CULTURALLY, SPIRITUALRY?>>I THINK ANY RESPONSIBLE
LANDOWNER WOULD LOOK AT THE LAW AND MAKE SURE THEY’RE
FOLLOWING THE RULES. YES, I THINK PASH IS THE STATE
LAW. ALLOWING FOR ACCESS TO SITES
AND I THINK ANY RESPONSIBLE LANDOWNER WOULD MAKE SURE
THAT THOSE WERE BEING FOLLOWED AND ALLOW CULTURAL
ACCESS.>>Daryl: THERE’S SO MANY
DIFFERENT TIMES OF OWNERSHIP. WHAT YOU’RE DESCRIBING
THERE’S NO ONE TO TURN TO.>>TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY ON
THE SAME PAGE IS A BIG ISSUE. FOR THESE ISSUES, A LOT OF IT
STARTS ON CITY. PARK ON CITY PROPERTY. END UP GOING ON STATE PROPERTY
AND PROBABLY TRAVERSE THREE OR FOUR OTHER PEOPLE’S
PRIVATE PROPERTIERS. SO YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BRING
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION IS VERY,
VERY HARD TO DO.>>I MEAN, THAT’S ONE OF THE
THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT HAIKU STAIRS IS IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
LEGAL MANAGED ACCESS, AND YOU’RE RIGHT. I SUPPOSE, IF IT WERE OPENED
AND CHARGED A FEE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY PROFITABLE. I’M SURE. BUT THE PROBLEM IS LEGAL
MANAGED ACCESS AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,
LANDLOCKED AND DEPENDING ON WHICH ROUTE YOU ULTIMATELY
WENT, AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AWAY FROM THE
COMMUNITY, SO YOU’RE NOT INTERFERING WITH THE QUALITY
OF LIFE, YOU COULD ACROSS ALMOST SIX DIFFERENT
LANDOWNERS. WOULD YOU HAVE TO GET
PERMISSION AND EASEMENTS FROM ALL OF THOSE LANDOWNERS
AND MOST OF THEM ARE STATE GOVERNMENT AND FOR US, THE
ISSUE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE LIABILITY.>>Daryl: LIABILITY. THERE IT IS IT AGAIN. I MEAN, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER
BEEN TEMPTED TO SUE SOMEBODY BECAUSE —
>>YOU KNOW, I IMAGINE PEOPLE HAVE. IN FACT, MAUNAWILI ESTATES
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAS HIRED AN ATTORNEY. THEY FINALLY, FOR YEARS AND
YEARS, HAVE CHARGED AGAINST THE CITY AND STATE TO COME TO
THE TABLE AND NO ONE IS DOING IT. THAT’S REALLY SAD THAT WE HAVE
TO CONTRIBUTE TO AN ATTORNEY TO SUE JUST SO THEY’LL LISTEN
TO US. BUT WE ACTUALLY DO
HAVE AN ATTORNEY. MAUNAWILI ESTATES COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION.>>Daryl: VIEWER QUESTIONS
COMING IN. 2 MINUTES LEFT. IN THAT SOCIAL MEDIA NEEDED TO
BALANCE BAD INFORMATION GIVEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHAT CAN BE
DONE TO INCREASE THAT EFFORT? FOR EXAMPLE, VOLUNTEERS? INTERESTING IDEA, YOU GUYS
ARE WORKING THE TRAILS. COULD YOU ENCOURAGE SOME
PEOPLE TO GO ON SAFER RAILS AND JUST GENERATE SOME SOCIAL
MEDIA TO TRY TO GET SOME ATTENTION TO THE TRAILS YOU
WANT PEOPLE TO GO ON?>>YEAH. THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. AND YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO
WHAT CAPTAIN JENKINS WAS SAYING, A LOT OF THIS
EDUCATION. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS OF
HAVING SOME KIND OF CAMPAIGN TO TARGET, I DON’T KNOW IF
TARGET IS THE WORD FOR IT, BUT TO GO TO CERTAIN AREAS, OR
CERTAIN LOCATIONS ON THE INTERNET. WHERE THERE IS IT
MISINFORMATION. AND TRY TO CORRECT IT IN SOME
WAY OR STOP IT IN SOME OTHER WAY. WE’RE LOOKING AT THAT AND
TRYING TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS AND IT MIGHT
ACTUALLY BE PRETTY EFFECTIVE TO DO THAT WITH VOLUNTEERS. SO IT DOESN’T COST US THAT
MUCH AND WE KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO HELP US
WITH THAT. BUT THERE IS, IT’S KIND OF
CHALLENGING. WHERE IS IT NEW HAVE TO KEEP
UP WITH THAT. AND HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT
AND ARE THERE ANY LEGALITIES BEHIND THAT? AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME FEES
INVOLVED IN TERMS OF HAVING MEMBERSHIP TO YELP OR
TRAVELOCITY WHERE SOME OF THE STUFF IS POSTED. I THINK
THERE’S SOME THINGS LIKE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. DEFINITELY AN OPTION AND
WE’RE LOOKING INTO THAT.>>CALL ME BECAUSE I CAN HELP
YOU. WE’VE ACTUALLY STARTED A
RATHER SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN. WHEN WE SEE TWEETS AND STUFF
ON THE AIR, WE’RE RESPONDING THEM AND DIRECTING THEM TO
AARON’S WEBSITE FOR APPROPRIATE INFORMATION AND
WHERE TO HIKE.>>Daryl: ANOTHER THING THAT
PEOPLE ARE THROWING OUT. METHOD WHERE PEOPLE SIGN IN.
IS THERE, COULD YOU PASS A LAW THAT JUST SAID, IF YOU’RE
CAUGHT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO THROUGH
THE TRESPASS. YOU’RE GOING TO BE CITED. JUST I MEAN, WE DON’T HAVE A
LAW LIKE THAT. RIGHT?>>NO. I THINK IT’S JUST YOUR
CRIMINAL TRESPASSING LAWS. UP TO THE LANDOWNER LANDOWNER
TO MAKE SURE THEIR PRESENCE IS NOT ALLOWED ON THIS PROPERTY. A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE
REMOTE. BY THE TIME YOU TRY TO CALL 911
AND GET THE POLICE UP THERE, GENERALLY THEY’RE GONE.>>Daryl: FOLKS, WE ARE DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU
AND MAHALO TO ALL OF YOU VIEWERS FOR BEING WITH US. AND TO OUR GUESTS,
AARON LOWE, FROM THE STATE OF HAWAII FORESTRY TRAIL SYSTEM
KATHLEEN ELLIOT-PAHINUI FOR THE HONOLULU BOARD OF WATER
SUPPLY. CAPT. DAVID JENKINS OF THE
HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND SUSAN DOWSETT, KAILUA
NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD. NEXT WEEK OF INSIGHTS, 50
YEARS AGO, UNDER CHIEF JUSTICE WILLIAM S.
RICHARDSON, THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF HAWAII RULED
THE PUBLIC HAD THE RIGHT TO ACCESS ALL BEACHES THROUGHOUT
OUR STATE. WITH A FEW
LIMITED EXCEPTIONS CARVED OUT TO ACCOMMODATE THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, THIS REMAINS TRUE TODAY. BUT FOR DECADES THERE HAVE
BEEN CHALLENGES, CLASHES THROUGHOUT THE STATE,
INVOLVING THE ACCESS SITES OR PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY USED TO
GET TO THE BEACHES. WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS IT TIME
WE FOUND A WAY TO SETTLE THESE DISPUTES THAT ARE DIRECTLY
ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THE MOST HISTORICALLY
SIGNIFICANT RULINGS IN OUR HISTORY. JOIN THE DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK
RIGHT HERE. FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII,
I’M DARYL HUFF. AHUI HOU.

2 Replies to “INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI‘I: Is Hawai‘i a Dangerous Destination? | Program

  1. lmao its surreal watching invaders and settlers discuss a land they clearly don't belong to as their own. THE LAND IS SPEAKING OUT, LEAVE HAWAII OR FACE ULTIMATE DESTRUCTION!

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